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Karl Grabenstatter

Karl Grabenstatter

Male 1766 - Yes, date unknown


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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Karl Grabenstatter was born in Nov 1766 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

    Karl married Walburga Schaaf on 19 Sep 1796 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany. Walburga (daughter of Anton Schaaf and Anna Maria Ziegler) was born on 20 Dec 1779 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Martin Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 11 Nov 1797 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    2. 3. Vincent Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 3 Apr 1799 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    3. 4. Conrad Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 23 Nov 1800 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    4. 5. Gertrude Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 28 Mar 1802 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    5. 6. Michael Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 24 Sep 1803 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    6. 7. Simon Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 24 Oct 1804 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    7. 8. Casimir Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Mar 1808 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 12 Mar 1865 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.
    8. 9. Maria Antonia Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Aug 1809 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    9. 10. Maria Anna Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Mar 1813 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 18 Mar 1814 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.
    10. 11. Fidel Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 28 Apr 1815 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Martin Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 11 Nov 1797 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  2. 3.  Vincent Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 3 Apr 1799 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  3. 4.  Conrad Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 23 Nov 1800 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

    Conrad married Sabina Groß in Aug 1824 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany. Sabina (daughter of Joseph Groß and Elisabeth Stickel) was born on 23 Mar 1799 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 12. Joseph Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 10 Mar 1825 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 22 Mar 1825 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.
    2. 13. Monika Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 19 May 1826 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.
    3. 14. Mathias Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 24 Feb 1829 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 11 Apr 1880 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 13 Apr 1880 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    4. 15. Maria Anna Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was christened on 18 Oct 1835 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    5. 16. Catherine Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 15 Oct 1836 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 15 Oct 1836 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  4. 5.  Gertrude Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 28 Mar 1802 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  5. 6.  Michael Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 24 Sep 1803 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  6. 7.  Simon Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 24 Oct 1804 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  7. 8.  Casimir Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born in Mar 1808 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 12 Mar 1865 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.

    Casimir married Dorothea Bender in 1841 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany. Dorothea was born in Jan 1797 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 17. Francisca Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1842; died on 10 Jun 1843 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.
    2. 18. Agnes Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1852 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  8. 9.  Maria Antonia Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born in Aug 1809 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

  9. 10.  Maria Anna Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born in Mar 1813 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 18 Mar 1814 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.

  10. 11.  Fidel Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (1.Karl1) was born on 28 Apr 1815 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.


Generation: 3

  1. 12.  Joseph Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 10 Mar 1825 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 22 Mar 1825 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.

  2. 13.  Monika Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 19 May 1826 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.

    Monika married Jacob Kunz on 14 Oct 1846 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  3. 14.  Mathias Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 24 Feb 1829 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; died on 11 Apr 1880 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 13 Apr 1880 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    Family/Spouse: Catherine Nagel. Catherine was born in Apr 1836 in New York; died on 16 Apr 1917; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 19. George Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 20 Mar 1856 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 23 Mar 1856 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 29 Dec 1890 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 1 Jan 1891 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    2. 20. Mary Magdalena Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 1 Oct 1857 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 4 Oct 1857 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    3. 21. John Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in Mar 1859 in Fort Wayne, Allen, Indiana; died on 25 Feb 1906 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    4. 22. Hennie Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1860 in Indiana; and died.
    5. 23. Katherine Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1864 in Michigan; died on 23 Aug 1881 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    6. 24. Frank Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 27 Jan 1866 in Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Michigan; died on 10 Jan 1941 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    7. 25. Amelia Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1868 in Michigan; and died.
    8. 26. Susan Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1869 in Michigan; and died.
    9. 27. Emma Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 10 Jun 1872 in Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Michigan; died on 1 Mar 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 4 Mar 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    10. 28. Elizabeth Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 1874 in Michigan; died on 31 Dec 1946 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  4. 15.  Maria Anna Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was christened on 18 Oct 1835 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  5. 16.  Catherine Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 15 Oct 1836 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 15 Oct 1836 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  6. 17.  Francisca Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (8.Casimir2, 1.Karl1) was born in 1842; died on 10 Jun 1843 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany.

  7. 18.  Agnes Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (8.Casimir2, 1.Karl1) was born in 1852 in Wintersdorf, Baden, Germany; and died.


Generation: 4

  1. 19.  George Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 20 Mar 1856 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 23 Mar 1856 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 29 Dec 1890 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 1 Jan 1891 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  2. 20.  Mary Magdalena Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 1 Oct 1857 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 4 Oct 1857 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  3. 21.  John Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born in Mar 1859 in Fort Wayne, Allen, Indiana; died on 25 Feb 1906 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    John married Barbara Kuper "Cooper" on 21 Aug 1882 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Barbara (daughter of John Kuper "Cooper" and Theresa Albrecht) was born in Oct 1859 in New York; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 29. George Mathias Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 16 Jul 1883 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 22 Jul 1883 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    2. 30. Theresa Mary Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 5 Mar 1886 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 14 Mar 1886 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    3. 31. William John Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 13 Jun 1888 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 17 Jun 1888 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 8 Nov 1972; was buried in Henrietta, Monroe, New York.
    4. 32. Mary Margaret Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 1 May 1891 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 4 May 1891 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    5. 33. Raymond Grabenstatter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 30 Aug 1894 in New York; died on 17 May 1982; was buried on 21 May 1982 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  4. 22.  Hennie Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1860 in Indiana; and died.

  5. 23.  Katherine Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1864 in Michigan; died on 23 Aug 1881 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  6. 24.  Frank Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 27 Jan 1866 in Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Michigan; died on 10 Jan 1941 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    Frank married Alice Hawkins on 24 May 1889 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Alice (daughter of John Hawkins and Ellen Doran) was born in 1871 in New York; died in Feb 1942; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Margaret May Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 18 Sep 1889 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 27 Sep 1889 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    2. 35. Magdelyn Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1895 in New York; and died.

  7. 25.  Amelia Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1868 in Michigan; and died.

  8. 26.  Susan Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1869 in Michigan; and died.

    Susan married Charles Babcock on 28 May 1889 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Charles (son of Uylses Babcock and Margaret Farrell) was born about 1869 in New York; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 36. Alvin Leander Babcock  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 12 Apr 1890 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 20 Apr 1890 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  9. 27.  Emma Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 10 Jun 1872 in Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Michigan; died on 1 Mar 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 4 Mar 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    Emma married Charles George Lutz on 6 Jun 1901 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Charles (son of Jacob Lutz and Elizabeth Wacker) was born on 29 Aug 1877 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 29 Nov 1877 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died in Nov 1956; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 37. George Lutz  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 25 Jun 1902 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 6 Jul 1902 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.
    2. 38. Norbert Charles Lutz  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 4 Oct 1907 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 14 Oct 1907 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 27 Feb 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    3. 39. Margaret Mary Lutz  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 30 Sep 1908 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 11 Oct 1908 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 27 Feb 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 4 Mar 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  10. 28.  Elizabeth Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born in 1874 in Michigan; died on 31 Dec 1946 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    Elizabeth married Joseph Francis Ulrich Strigl on 13 Sep 1899 in Webster, Monroe, New York. Joseph (son of Michael Strigl and Pauline Hausler) was born on 4 Jul 1875 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 11 Jul 1875 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 16 Aug 1904; was buried on 18 Aug 1904 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 40. Gilbert Francis Strigl  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 17 Jul 1903 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 2 Aug 1903 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

    Elizabeth married Frank Klein on 19 Jun 1907 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Frank (son of John Klein and Catherine Redding) was born about 1864 in New York; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 41. Katherine Klein  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 8 Jul 1908 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 30 Oct 1993 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.
    2. 42. Elizabeth Klein  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1911 in New York; and died.
    3. 43. Rosemary Klein  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1915 in New York; and died.


Generation: 5

  1. 29.  George Mathias Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 16 Jul 1883 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 22 Jul 1883 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  2. 30.  Theresa Mary Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 5 Mar 1886 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 14 Mar 1886 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  3. 31.  William John Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 13 Jun 1888 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 17 Jun 1888 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 8 Nov 1972; was buried in Henrietta, Monroe, New York.

    William married Katherine Schulhafer on 29 May 1915 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Katherine (daughter of Benjamin Schulhafer and Mary Meyer) was born about 1892 in Russia; died on 1 Apr 1965 in Henrietta, Monroe, New York; was buried in Henrietta, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 32.  Mary Margaret Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 1 May 1891 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 4 May 1891 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  5. 33.  Raymond Grabenstatter Descendancy chart to this point (21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 30 Aug 1894 in New York; died on 17 May 1982; was buried on 21 May 1982 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    Raymond married Florence Meyer on 10 Feb 1915 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Florence (daughter of Frank Xavier Meyer and Rosa Gleichauf) was born in Aug 1895 in New York; died on 13 Jan 1928 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 17 Jan 1928 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 44. Irene Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born on 2 Oct 1915 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 5 Feb 1987 in New York; was buried in Chili, Monroe, New York.
    2. 45. Gertrude Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1918 in New York; and died.
    3. 46. Genevieve Grabenstetter  Descendancy chart to this point

  6. 34.  Margaret May Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (24.Frank4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 18 Sep 1889 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 27 Sep 1889 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

    Margaret married Joseph Taylor on 19 Apr 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Joseph was born about 1887 in Canada; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  7. 35.  Magdelyn Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (24.Frank4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1895 in New York; and died.

    Magdelyn married Alfred Doud on 9 Jun 1915 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Alfred (son of Thomas Doud and Julia Kane) was born about 1895 in New York; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  8. 36.  Alvin Leander Babcock Descendancy chart to this point (26.Susan4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 12 Apr 1890 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 20 Apr 1890 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

    Alvin married Florence Carr on 19 Jan 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. Florence (daughter of Isiah Carr and Louise Huff) was born about 1893 in Canada; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  9. 37.  George Lutz Descendancy chart to this point (27.Emma4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 25 Jun 1902 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 6 Jul 1902 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  10. 38.  Norbert Charles Lutz Descendancy chart to this point (27.Emma4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 4 Oct 1907 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 14 Oct 1907 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 27 Feb 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  11. 39.  Margaret Mary Lutz Descendancy chart to this point (27.Emma4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 30 Sep 1908 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 11 Oct 1908 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 27 Feb 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried on 4 Mar 1911 in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

  12. 40.  Gilbert Francis Strigl Descendancy chart to this point (28.Elizabeth4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 17 Jul 1903 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was christened on 2 Aug 1903 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; and died.

  13. 41.  Katherine Klein Descendancy chart to this point (28.Elizabeth4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 8 Jul 1908 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 30 Oct 1993 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York.

    Katherine married John Emmett Finucane on 3 Jan 1942 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. John was born on 22 Jul 1907 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 22 Apr 1975 in New York; was buried in Rochester, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  14. 42.  Elizabeth Klein Descendancy chart to this point (28.Elizabeth4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1911 in New York; and died.

  15. 43.  Rosemary Klein Descendancy chart to this point (28.Elizabeth4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1915 in New York; and died.


Generation: 6

  1. 44.  Irene Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (33.Raymond5, 21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born on 2 Oct 1915 in Rochester, Monroe, New York; died on 5 Feb 1987 in New York; was buried in Chili, Monroe, New York.

    Irene married William A. Turney on 20 Nov 1933 in Rochester, Monroe, New York. William (son of William Turney and Mary Brown) was born on 16 Sep 1909 in Canada; died on 21 Dec 1985 in Hilton, Monroe, New York; was buried in Chili, Monroe, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 45.  Gertrude Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (33.Raymond5, 21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1) was born about 1918 in New York; and died.

  3. 46.  Genevieve Grabenstetter Descendancy chart to this point (33.Raymond5, 21.John4, 14.Mathias3, 4.Conrad2, 1.Karl1)